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	<title>Comments on: Thu AM: Webb/Bernick: Gov in Big Trouble: No Fraud Proof and ETS &#8220;Liferaft&#8221; is Sinking</title>
	<link>http://www.tobacco-on-trial.com/2004/11/18/thu-am-webbbernick-gov-in-big-trouble-no-fraud-proof-and-ets-liferaft-is-sinking/</link>
	<description>Blogging U.S. vs. Philip Morris, Inc.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.tobacco-on-trial.com/2004/11/18/thu-am-webbbernick-gov-in-big-trouble-no-fraud-proof-and-ets-liferaft-is-sinking/#comment-84</link>
		<author>krueger</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This industry has a long history of trying to "have it both ways". Fortunately, judges see through this.

Judge Munter, upholding the Henley verdict in 1999, put it this way: "having asserted that causation has not been established, Philip  Morris cannot argue persuasively that  members of the general public knew better,  and by reason of their superior knowlege,  are deprived of legal recourse".

www.tobacco.neu.edu/box/BOEKENBox/ Henley%20v%20PM/MunterOrderHenley.pdf

The tobacco industry wants to "have it both ways" because of its endless zeal to blame the customer. In essence, the dialog goes like this: it's the customer's fault the product hurt him; but you lied to the customer, you misled him; right, so it's his fault for believing us, he should have known better.

Judges can say, OK, that reasoning isn't going to fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This industry has a long history of trying to &#8220;have it both ways&#8221;. Fortunately, judges see through this.</p>
<p>Judge Munter, upholding the Henley verdict in 1999, put it this way: &#8220;having asserted that causation has not been established, Philip  Morris cannot argue persuasively that  members of the general public knew better,  and by reason of their superior knowlege,  are deprived of legal recourse&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tobacco.neu.edu/box/BOEKENBox/" rel="nofollow">www.tobacco.neu.edu/box/BOEKENBox/</a> Henley%20v%20PM/MunterOrderHenley.pdf</p>
<p>The tobacco industry wants to &#8220;have it both ways&#8221; because of its endless zeal to blame the customer. In essence, the dialog goes like this: it&#8217;s the customer&#8217;s fault the product hurt him; but you lied to the customer, you misled him; right, so it&#8217;s his fault for believing us, he should have known better.</p>
<p>Judges can say, OK, that reasoning isn&#8217;t going to fly.</p>
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